Latest Episode | August 3, 2026
Stop Roleplaying In Your Own Life | Dare To Become With Jonathan Cave
What happens when the role you're playing on the outside stops matching who you actually are underneath it?
On this episode of Work Is Third, Dawn Hunter talks with Jonathan Cave about daring to become that person instead. Jonathan is the author of The Tree and the Mountain – Dare to Become where he shares his journey to redefine himself.
Jonathan was a partner in a prestigious Geneva law firm, outwardly successful yet inwardly drained, restless and unable to enjoy the life he had worked so hard to create. Determined to bridge that gap, Jonathan turned inward, asking himself who he truly was, what mattered most and why he was chasing so hard.
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We believe that work isn't the main event. It's just one part of a meaningful, well-lived life. In each episode, we sit down with leaders, creatives, and change-makers to talk honestly about boundaries, rest, play, and radical self-care—and how they’re redefining success on their own terms.
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Work is Third: The Story Behind the Podcast
Host Dawn Hunter opens up about the burnout, loss, and reflection that led her to reimagine her life - and create Work is Third. From productivity shame and grief to morning rituals and joy-filled boundaries, Dawn shares the real story behind the podcast’s name and her journey to reclaim rest and redefine success.
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“I believe joy is strategic. Boundaries are radical. And work should never come first.”
Joyful rebel. Culture shifter. Boundaries enthusiast.
Dawn Hunter is the voice behind Work is Third, a podcast about rethinking work, reclaiming rest, and building lives rooted in care and connection. A public health leader and lawyer turned movement-builder, Dawn brings sharp insight, deep heart, and a healthy dose of humor to every conversation. The podcast is just one piece of her work helping people and organizations lead with intention and live with more joy.
MEET DAWN
DONʼT SETTLE FOR THIRD PLACE. UNLESS ITʼS WORK,
THEN DEFINITELY SETTLE.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about how to design a life on my own terms, so this podcast couldn’t have come at a better time. It’s the kind of conversation that makes you feel seen, and sparks the courage to actually make a change.
Motherhood broke open everything I thought I knew about work-life harmony. Listening to these stories, and hearing people name the questions I’ve been sitting with, feels like being guided back to myself.
This was awesome and such needed content right now for all us burned out folk. Looking forward to more episodes!